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Jonny Grant
Hi GDB maintainers

Just wondering if this is down for you as well

https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/

I clicked "bug-gdb"


This site can’t be reached mail.gnu.org refused to connect.
Try:

Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED


I was going to ask if [hidden email] could be added to the $ gdb --help output and also the man page?
Also this page

https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/


BTW, the footer has a link "Previous: (dir)" and "Up: (dir)" is a broken link to
https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/dir/index.html

Could someone fix that link, or should I file a bug report on sourceware?

Regards, Jonny

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Simon Marchi-4
On 2020-05-26 7:07 a.m., Jonny Grant wrote:

> Hi GDB maintainers
>
> Just wondering if this is down for you as well
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>
> I clicked "bug-gdb"
>
>
> This site can’t be reached mail.gnu.org refused to connect.
> Try:
>
> Checking the connection
> Checking the proxy and the firewall
> ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

Maybe it was temporary, the GNU mailing list page works for me right now.

However, there has been no activity there for many years, I think we should
either remove it from our page, or at least mention that it's there for
archive purposes only.

> I was going to ask if [hidden email] could be added to the $ gdb --help output and also the man page?

Yes, I think it would be nice.  Would you mind providing patches for that?

> Also this page
>
> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/

This is generated from the gdb.texinfo file in the GDB source code, so you
could provide a patch for this as well:

https://sourceware.org/git/?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=blob;f=gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo;h=641816284954a492d6079560b9e6ab8312efa159;hb=HEAD

You can generate the HTML manual using the "make html" command in the gdb/doc
build directory.

> BTW, the footer has a link "Previous: (dir)" and "Up: (dir)" is a broken link to
> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/dir/index.html
>
> Could someone fix that link, or should I file a bug report on sourceware?

Hmm, we would have to find out if it's a texinfo bug, or just us using texinfo wrong.

Again, you can generate this file using the "make html" command mentioned above and
try to find out why.

Simon

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Jonny Grant
Hi Simon

On 26/05/2020 15:17, Simon Marchi wrote:

> On 2020-05-26 7:07 a.m., Jonny Grant wrote:
>> Hi GDB maintainers
>>
>> Just wondering if this is down for you as well
>>
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>>
>> I clicked "bug-gdb"
>>
>>
>> This site can’t be reached mail.gnu.org refused to connect.
>> Try:
>>
>> Checking the connection
>> Checking the proxy and the firewall
>> ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
>
> Maybe it was temporary, the GNU mailing list page works for me right now.
Unfortunately it is still down for me from laptop and android mobile.


> However, there has been no activity there for many years, I think we should
> either remove it from our page, or at least mention that it's there for
> archive purposes only.

Sounds reasonable. I didn't receive a reply from the gnu webmasters, maybe they are overloaded with lockdown.

>> I was going to ask if [hidden email] could be added to the $ gdb --help output and also the man page?
>
> Yes, I think it would be nice.  Would you mind providing patches for that?

I've attached a patch for the 'gdb --help' output


>> Also this page
>>
>> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/
>
> This is generated from the gdb.texinfo file in the GDB source code, so you
> could provide a patch for this as well:
>
> https://sourceware.org/git/?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=blob;f=gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo;h=641816284954a492d6079560b9e6ab8312efa159;hb=HEAD
>
> You can generate the HTML manual using the "make html" command in the gdb/doc
> build directory.
Could the scripts that need 'html' command make a suggestion to install texinfo html convertor package 'texi2html' ?


Otherwise it's this error:

html  -I . ./annotate.texinfo
/bin/bash: html: command not found


>> BTW, the footer has a link "Previous: (dir)" and "Up: (dir)" is a broken link to
>> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/dir/index.html
>>
>> Could someone fix that link, or should I file a bug report on sourceware?
>
> Hmm, we would have to find out if it's a texinfo bug, or just us using texinfo wrong.
>
> Again, you can generate this file using the "make html" command mentioned above and
> try to find out why.

Yes, it is the same in the html created.
I've attached a patch that removes those broken links.

Cheers, Jonny


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Jonny Grant


On 27/05/2020 23:12, Jonny Grant wrote:

> Hi Simon
>
> On 26/05/2020 15:17, Simon Marchi wrote:
>> On 2020-05-26 7:07 a.m., Jonny Grant wrote:
>>> Hi GDB maintainers
>>>
>>> Just wondering if this is down for you as well
>>>
>>> https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>>>
>>> I clicked "bug-gdb"
>>>
>>>
>>> This site can’t be reached mail.gnu.org refused to connect.
>>> Try:
>>>
>>> Checking the connection
>>> Checking the proxy and the firewall
>>> ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
>>
>> Maybe it was temporary, the GNU mailing list page works for me right now.
>
> Unfortunately it is still down for me from laptop and android mobile.
>
>
>> However, there has been no activity there for many years, I think we should
>> either remove it from our page, or at least mention that it's there for
>> archive purposes only.
>
> Sounds reasonable. I didn't receive a reply from the gnu webmasters, maybe they are overloaded with lockdown.
>
>>> I was going to ask if [hidden email] could be added to the $ gdb --help output and also the man page?
>>
>> Yes, I think it would be nice.  Would you mind providing patches for that?
>
> I've attached a patch for the 'gdb --help' output
My apologies, correct version of the patch attached.

Jonny

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Eli Zaretskii
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> From: Jonny Grant <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:12:32 +0100
>
> >> BTW, the footer has a link "Previous: (dir)" and "Up: (dir)" is a broken link to
> >> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/dir/index.html
> >>
> >> Could someone fix that link, or should I file a bug report on sourceware?
> >
> > Hmm, we would have to find out if it's a texinfo bug, or just us using texinfo wrong.
> >
> > Again, you can generate this file using the "make html" command mentioned above and
> > try to find out why.
>
> Yes, it is the same in the html created.
> I've attached a patch that removes those broken links.

Thanks, these changes are fine with me in principle, but the
indentations seems to be wrong here:

>    if (REPORT_BUGS_TO[0] && stream == gdb_stdout)
>      fprintf_unfiltered (stream, _("\
>  Report bugs to \"%s\".\n\
> +"), REPORT_BUGS_TO);
> +    fprintf_unfiltered (stream, _("\
> +GDB mailing list \"mailto:[hidden email]\"\n\
>  "), REPORT_BUGS_TO);

Is the added fprintf conditioned by this 'if':

  if (REPORT_BUGS_TO[0] && stream == gdb_stdout)

If it is, then braces are missing around the two fprintf's; if it
isn't, then the second fprintf should not be indented as the first
one.
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Eli Zaretskii
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> From: Jonny Grant <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:26:26 +0100
>
> My apologies, correct version of the patch attached.

What was wrong with the previous version, and why this one is better?
I'm probably missing something, but it sounds to me like an explicit
'mailto:' is better?
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Jonny Grant


On 28/05/2020 07:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Jonny Grant <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:26:26 +0100
>>
>> My apologies, correct version of the patch attached.
>
> What was wrong with the previous version, and why this one is better?
> I'm probably missing something, but it sounds to me like an explicit
> 'mailto:' is better?
>

Hello Eli
My apologies, the first version didn't compile as you mentioned in your other email.

Other shell tools with such URLs or email addresses are using <> without the mailto:, eg make --help

Report bugs to <[hidden email]>

gdb --help currently has extra quotes:-

Report bugs to "<http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>".

I had kept the same style with the quotes. Would it actually be better to remove the quotes so it matches other tools
like strings --help etc?

So it would then look like:

Report bugs to <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>.
GDB mailing list <[hidden email]>



Thanks, Jonny
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Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
> From: Jonny Grant <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 01:20:02 +0100
>
> Report bugs to <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>.
> GDB mailing list <[hidden email]>

I'm fine with either way.
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Jonny Grant
Hello
For me this mailing archive is still offline. http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb 

It's linked from this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/

Maybe the link should be removed?

Cheers, Jonny
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Joel Brobecker
> For me this mailing archive is still offline. http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb 
>
> It's linked from this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>
> Maybe the link should be removed?

I tried every link to the archives, and they all worked for me.
I thinking maybe you have the older version in your browser's cache?

--
Joel
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Andreas Schwab-2
On Jun 27 2020, Joel Brobecker wrote:

>> For me this mailing archive is still offline. http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb 
>>
>> It's linked from this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>>
>> Maybe the link should be removed?
>
> I tried every link to the archives, and they all worked for me.

All of them?  mail.gnu.org doesn't respond to http.  The correct host
would be lists.gnu.org.

Andreas.

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Jonny Grant
In reply to this post by Joel Brobecker


On 28/06/2020 02:27, Joel Brobecker wrote:
>> For me this mailing archive is still offline. http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb 
>>
>> It's linked from this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>>
>> Maybe the link should be removed?
>
> I tried every link to the archives, and they all worked for me.
> I thinking maybe you have the older version in your browser's cache?

Hello Joel
I'm in the UK. Checked with two different ISPs, mobile and desktop PC. Even two browsers, incognito
So if you click here on this link in this email http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb  does it work for you?

On the GDB page, it is the final link "(mail relay bug-gdb) is the public GDB news group."

Cheers, Jonny
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Jonny Grant
In reply to this post by Andreas Schwab-2


On 28/06/2020 06:20, Andreas Schwab wrote:

> On Jun 27 2020, Joel Brobecker wrote:
>
>>> For me this mailing archive is still offline. http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb 
>>>
>>> It's linked from this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mailing-lists/
>>>
>>> Maybe the link should be removed?
>>
>> I tried every link to the archives, and they all worked for me.
>
> All of them?  mail.gnu.org doesn't respond to http.  The correct host
> would be lists.gnu.org.
>
> Andreas.
 
Hi Andreas

I wonder if this HTML could be updated then? Do you know who maintains the gdb web page?


<dd> (mail
relay <a href="http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb/"
name="bug-gdb"> <b>bug-gdb</b></a>) is the public GDB news group.</dd>



As you say, if I use https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb  it does work!

W3C have an online link checker, https://validator.w3.org/checklink it also finds the error


error Line: 118 http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gdb/
Status: 500 Can't connect to mail.gnu.org:80 (Connection refused)
This is a server side problem. Check the URI.


Cheers, Jonny
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Joel Brobecker
In reply to this post by Andreas Schwab-2
> > I tried every link to the archives, and they all worked for me.
>
> All of them?

I was checking the links to what I believe to be mailing list archives.
I excluded the newsgroup in my check.

> mail.gnu.org doesn't respond to http.  The correct host
> would be lists.gnu.org.

I see. Thanks for clarifying.

I found this URL:

    https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/

But looking at it, the most recent post appears to be from Dec 2017.
Is that the correct link? Is that newsgroup still active?

--
Joel
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Pedro Alves-2
On 6/28/20 4:36 PM, Joel Brobecker wrote:

>>> I tried every link to the archives, and they all worked for me.
>>
>> All of them?
>
> I was checking the links to what I believe to be mailing list archives.
> I excluded the newsgroup in my check.
>
>> mail.gnu.org doesn't respond to http.  The correct host
>> would be lists.gnu.org.
>
> I see. Thanks for clarifying.
>
> I found this URL:
>
>     https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/
>
> But looking at it, the most recent post appears to be from Dec 2017.
> Is that the correct link? Is that newsgroup still active?

Wasn't [hidden email] converted to a [hidden email] alias years ago?

https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2014-11/msg00023.html

Here,

 https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2014-12/msg00001.html

Sergio said:

 "The GNU sysadmins told me that both lists now redirect here.  I hope it works OK."


I'm surprised the archives even exist beyond 2014.

For example, here:

 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/2016-01/threads.html

we see an email:

 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/2016-01/msg00000.html

that I can't find on the [hidden email] archive:

 https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2016-01/

Did the redirect stop working or something?

Pedro Alves
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Joel Brobecker
> Wasn't [hidden email] converted to a [hidden email] alias years ago?
>
> https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2014-11/msg00023.html
>
> Here,
>
>  https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2014-12/msg00001.html
>
> Sergio said:
>
>  "The GNU sysadmins told me that both lists now redirect here.  I hope it works OK."
>
>
> I'm surprised the archives even exist beyond 2014.
>
> For example, here:
>
>  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/2016-01/threads.html
>
> we see an email:
>
>  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/2016-01/msg00000.html
>
> that I can't find on the [hidden email] archive:
>
>  https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2016-01/
>
> Did the redirect stop working or something?

I just did an experiment, and sent an email to bug-gdb, and got
an email back from gdb-owner that it is being held in quarantine
waiting for and admin to approve it. So I think the redirection
is working, but now the mailing-list settings don't let those through
without moderator approval.

I was wondering how active the newsgroup might be. One can take
a look there:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gnu.gdb.bug

To sumarize:
  - One post in 2019, with a question and no replies;
  - Nothing in 2018;
  - A stream of spam in 2017;
  - Two posts in 2016, with no answers;
  - Nothing in 2015;
  - More activity in 2014.

I'm wondering if we shouldn't just ask gnu.org to shut gnu.gdb.bug down.
Then we can adapt the mailinglist page on the GDB website accordingly,
with a link to the old archives for reference (as long as they are live).

--
Joel
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Joel Brobecker
> I just did an experiment, and sent an email to bug-gdb, and got
> an email back from gdb-owner that it is being held in quarantine
> waiting for and admin to approve it. So I think the redirection
> is working, but now the mailing-list settings don't let those through
> without moderator approval.
>
> I was wondering how active the newsgroup might be. One can take
> a look there:
>
>     https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gnu.gdb.bug
>
> To sumarize:
>   - One post in 2019, with a question and no replies;
>   - Nothing in 2018;
>   - A stream of spam in 2017;
>   - Two posts in 2016, with no answers;
>   - Nothing in 2015;
>   - More activity in 2014.
>
> I'm wondering if we shouldn't just ask gnu.org to shut gnu.gdb.bug down.
> Then we can adapt the mailinglist page on the GDB website accordingly,
> with a link to the old archives for reference (as long as they are live).

Any opinion on gnu.gdb.bug?

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Joel
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Jonny Grant
In reply to this post by Joel Brobecker


On 29/06/2020 18:48, Joel Brobecker wrote:

>> Wasn't [hidden email] converted to a [hidden email] alias years ago?
>>
>> https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2014-11/msg00023.html
>>
>> Here,
>>
>>  https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2014-12/msg00001.html
>>
>> Sergio said:
>>
>>  "The GNU sysadmins told me that both lists now redirect here.  I hope it works OK."
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised the archives even exist beyond 2014.
>>
>> For example, here:
>>
>>  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/2016-01/threads.html
>>
>> we see an email:
>>
>>  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb/2016-01/msg00000.html
>>
>> that I can't find on the [hidden email] archive:
>>
>>  https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/gdb/2016-01/
>>
>> Did the redirect stop working or something?
>
> I just did an experiment, and sent an email to bug-gdb, and got
> an email back from gdb-owner that it is being held in quarantine
> waiting for and admin to approve it. So I think the redirection
> is working, but now the mailing-list settings don't let those through
> without moderator approval.
>
> I was wondering how active the newsgroup might be. One can take
> a look there:
>
>     https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gnu.gdb.bug
>
> To sumarize:
>   - One post in 2019, with a question and no replies;
>   - Nothing in 2018;
>   - A stream of spam in 2017;
>   - Two posts in 2016, with no answers;
>   - Nothing in 2015;
>   - More activity in 2014.
>
> I'm wondering if we shouldn't just ask gnu.org to shut gnu.gdb.bug down.
> Then we can adapt the mailinglist page on the GDB website accordingly,
> with a link to the old archives for reference (as long as they are live).

Sounds reasonable.

I would suggest to update the bug-gdb link to the correct server at least for the moment. https://sourceware.org/gdb/mailing-lists/  What do you think?
I don't know who has access to the web page. I can submit a patch if that would be supported.

Probably better to just link to the archive, and clarify it is an old archive
"archive of old bug-gdb mailing list"

Note, this link is the archive, not the listinfo (so as not to encourage anyone to post to it, or try and join)
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gdb

Cheers, Jonny