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Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Jerzy Dyrda-2
Hello all,

During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized that
is missing some vital components in current version of eCos system
(from my point of view)  i.e :

1) HTTP server - AHTTPD doesn't support lwIP stack what causes that it's useless.
I'm planing to modify it thus any kind of advises are welcome.

2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side
I propose uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/
License seems to be compatible and due its nature porting on new platform
shouldn't be complicated even for me :)
I'm also planning to add support and again any kind of comments advices or
warnings are expecting.

3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but
on some board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
It's high time to add this miss part of system.

Best regards,
jerzy

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AW: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Richard Rauch
> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:ecos-discuss-
> [hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Jerzy Dyrda
> Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Juni 2014 17:15
> An: eCos Discussion
> Betreff: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform
>
> Hello all,
>
> During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized that
is

> missing some vital components in current version of eCos system (from my
> point of view)  i.e :
>
> 1) HTTP server - AHTTPD doesn't support lwIP stack what causes that it's
> useless.
> I'm planing to modify it thus any kind of advises are welcome.
>
> 2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side I propose
> uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/ License seems to be compatible and due its nature
> porting on new platform shouldn't be complicated even for me :) I'm also
> planning to add support and again any kind of comments advices or warnings
> are expecting.
>
> 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
board
> like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
>
> Best regards,
> jerzy
>

A few comments and questions from my side:

- what is the advantage of uGFX? Are there applications available, which are
based on uGFX? What do you think about support for QT (
http://qt-project.org/ )?

- SD card interface. Unfortunately this is very processor specific. Each
Microcontroller has its own IP for accessing SD card. We have made it e.g.
for Xilinx Zynq
(http://tiprom.itrgmbh.com/projects/ecos-on-zynq/wiki/ECosOnZynq-Wiki ), but
I assume it is not re-usable for other platforms!

Best Regards

Richard


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Re: AW: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Jerzy Dyrda-2
Hello Richard,

On Friday 13 of June 2014 17:33:39 Richard Rauch wrote:

> > Von: [hidden email] [mailto:ecos-discuss-
> > [hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Jerzy Dyrda
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Juni 2014 17:15
> > An: eCos Discussion
> > Betreff: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform
> >
> > During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized that
> is
> > missing some vital components in current version of eCos system (from my
> > point of view)  i.e :
> >
> > 1) HTTP server - AHTTPD doesn't support lwIP stack what causes that it's
> > useless.
> > I'm planing to modify it thus any kind of advises are welcome.
> >
> > 2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side I propose
> > uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/ License seems to be compatible and due its nature
> > porting on new platform shouldn't be complicated even for me :) I'm also
> > planning to add support and again any kind of comments advices or warnings
> > are expecting.
> >
> > 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
> board
> > like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
> > It's high time to add this miss part of system.

>
> A few comments and questions from my side:
>
> - what is the advantage of uGFX? Are there applications available, which are
> based on uGFX? What do you think about support for QT (
> http://qt-project.org/ )?
Sorry but I feel confused. How can I use QT application on Cortex-M equipped
with eCos? I use QT for Host side developing but I didn't expect that
possible to run it on target.

> - SD card interface. Unfortunately this is very processor specific. Each
> Microcontroller has its own IP for accessing SD card.
But only low level SD bus driver. Upper layer for MMC/SD card is common.

> We have made it e.g.
> for Xilinx Zynq
> (http://tiprom.itrgmbh.com/projects/ecos-on-zynq/wiki/ECosOnZynq-Wiki ), but
> I assume it is not re-usable for other platforms!
Did you add any layer to access MMC/SD card via SD bus similar to mmc-spi.c
from CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC package?

Best regards,
jerzy

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SDHC support. [Was Re: AW: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform]

Ilija Kocho [Илија Кочо]
Jerzy, Richard

3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some

>> board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
>> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
> - SD card interface. Unfortunately this is very processor specific. Each
> Microcontroller has its own IP for accessing SD card.
> But only low level SD bus driver. Upper layer for MMC/SD card is common.

This is MMC/SD disk driver for Freescale Kinetis and iMX.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ecosfreescale/files/devs/SDHC/
Upper layer (based on SPI MMC driver) and HW dependent (Freescale) parts
are placed in separate packages.

Jerzy, can you see if STM support can be added?

Note:  The aim of this project is support for MMC/SD memory cards (I.E.
disk drive) SDIO is out of scope.

Comments are welcome.

Ilija

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Re: SDHC support. [Was Re: AW: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform]

Jerzy Dyrda-2
Hello Ilija,
On Friday 13 of June 2014 20:54:47 Ilija Kocho wrote:

> 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
>
> >> board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
> >> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
> > - SD card interface. Unfortunately this is very processor specific. Each
> > Microcontroller has its own IP for accessing SD card.
> > But only low level SD bus driver. Upper layer for MMC/SD card is common.
>
> This is MMC/SD disk driver for Freescale Kinetis and iMX.
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ecosfreescale/files/devs/SDHC/
> Upper layer (based on SPI MMC driver) and HW dependent (Freescale) parts
> are placed in separate packages.
>
> Jerzy, can you see if STM support can be added?
With pleasure.

> Note:  The aim of this project is support for MMC/SD memory cards (I.E.
> disk drive) SDIO is out of scope.
OK.

Best regards,
jerzy

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Re: SDHC support. [Was Re: AW: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform]

Jerzy Dyrda-2
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Hello Ilija,

2014-06-13 20:54 GMT+02:00 Ilija Kocho <[hidden email]>:

> 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
>>> board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
>>> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
>> - SD card interface. Unfortunately this is very processor specific. Each
>> Microcontroller has its own IP for accessing SD card.
>> But only low level SD bus driver. Upper layer for MMC/SD card is common.
>
> This is MMC/SD disk driver for Freescale Kinetis and iMX.
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ecosfreescale/files/devs/SDHC/
> Upper layer (based on SPI MMC driver) and HW dependent (Freescale) parts
> are placed in separate packages.
>
> Jerzy, can you see if STM support can be added?
After first look I seems that yes.
IMHO it's required some code re-factoring i.e. :
1) CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC_SDHC should be pushed into CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC
package as a component similar to CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC_SPI component.
2) Using Freescale middle layer (sdhc.c) from platform specific
package and pushing it to generic
part. The aim of this layer is support for SDHC transaction what is generic.
3) And we should provide low level platform specific driver for SD bus
not as Freescale in
/devs/disk/mmc/sdhc/ but create new place /devs/sd/cortexm/stm similar
to /devs/spi/cortexm/stm
with simliar functionality i.e. xfer function supporting poling and DMA mode.
4) Regarding license most of code in platform specific part is a Freescale code.
Can we use it?

Best regards,
jerzy

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RE: New features required on Cortex-M platform

InMarket
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As one of the primary developers of uGFX I have been watching the ecos
mail-lists for a long time but have never implemented an ecos system yet
(just due to being caught up on other projects such as uGFX).

I would be happy to work with you to create a port of uGFX for ecos.

As per one of your follow-up Emails relating to uGFX versus Qt:

Some of the advantages of uGFX versus Qt:
 - uGFX is designed for small memory footprint systems (ie. embedded
systems), Qt is not and therefore has a very large footprint.
- uGFX works equally well on systems without a framebuffer. Qt requires a
framebuffer (and the related RAM requirements)
- uGFX is a full multi-threaded GUI, you can draw from any thread regardless
on which thread the object was created. Qt has only limited support for
multi-threaded applications.
- uGFX has support for many LCD controllers and supports custom wiring
connections to your micro. Qt assumes a full graphics/windows layer is
already available (usually X).
- uGFX includes other sub-systems like audio, toggle switch input devices,
analogue dials, ROM based file system etc. Qt does not.

Some disadvantages of uGFX versus Qt:
- uGFX has a different API to Qt. More programmers are familiar with Qt.
- uGFX has only restricted support for overlapping windows (container
windows are however supported).

uGFX is in short designed for embedded systems while Qt has a desktop based
design.

uGFX aims to provide a cross-platform way of writing embedded GUI
applications. For example, most of the uGFX demos can be run on any uGFX
supported operating system without changing a single line of code. This
means you can prototype and debug your application on Windows or Linux and
then very simply move it to your embedded board.

Regards,
Andrew (aka inmarket)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerzy Dyrda [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:15 AM
To: eCos Discussion
Subject: Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Hello all,

During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized that is
missing some vital components in current version of eCos system (from my
point of view)  i.e :

1) HTTP server - AHTTPD doesn't support lwIP stack what causes that it's
useless.
I'm planing to modify it thus any kind of advises are welcome.

2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side I propose
uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/ License seems to be compatible and due its nature
porting on new platform shouldn't be complicated even for me :) I'm also
planning to add support and again any kind of comments advices or warnings
are expecting.

3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
It's high time to add this miss part of system.

Best regards,
jerzy


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Re: SDHC support. [Was Re: AW: [ECOS] Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform]

Ilija Kocho [Илија Кочо]
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Jerzy

Thank you for  your analysis.
I guess, that Mike follows the list, but anyway I'm adding him as an
initiator of this SDHC port.


On 15.06.2014 00:47, Jerzy Dyrda wrote:

> Hello Ilija,
>
> 2014-06-13 20:54 GMT+02:00 Ilija Kocho <[hidden email]>:
>> 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
>>>> board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
>>>> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
>>> - SD card interface. Unfortunately this is very processor specific. Each
>>> Microcontroller has its own IP for accessing SD card.
>>> But only low level SD bus driver. Upper layer for MMC/SD card is common.
>> This is MMC/SD disk driver for Freescale Kinetis and iMX.
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ecosfreescale/files/devs/SDHC/
>> Upper layer (based on SPI MMC driver) and HW dependent (Freescale) parts
>> are placed in separate packages.
>>
>> Jerzy, can you see if STM support can be added?
> After first look I seems that yes.
> IMHO it's required some code re-factoring i.e. :
> 1) CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC_SDHC should be pushed into CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC
> package as a component similar to CYGPKG_DEVS_DISK_MMC_SPI component.
> 2) Using Freescale middle layer (sdhc.c) from platform specific
> package and pushing it to generic
> part. The aim of this layer is support for SDHC transaction what is generic.

It seems pretty generic indeed, only it has some references to
usdhc_host.c. We could/should make some abstraction either simple
(MACROS) or callback table (may require middle-level io driver).

Can anybody comment on this?


> 3) And we should provide low level platform specific driver for SD bus
> not as Freescale in
> /devs/disk/mmc/sdhc/ but create new place /devs/sd/cortexm/stm similar
> to /devs/spi/cortexm/stm

Once 2) is defined, this should be straight-forward.

> with simliar functionality i.e. xfer function supporting poling and DMA mode.
> 4) Regarding license most of code in platform specific part is a Freescale code.
> Can we use it?

IANAL, but IMO yes as long as we regard licence terms. The Freescale
code is published under BSD licence that is one of eligible licences for
third party products regarding eCos (Ref:
http://ecos.sourceware.org/contrib.html).

Any additional comments?

Ilija

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RE: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Jerzy Dyrda-2
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Hello Andrew,

On Monday 16 of June 2014 12:08:24 Andrew Hannam wrote:

> As one of the primary developers of uGFX I have been watching the ecos
> mail-lists for a long time but have never implemented an ecos system yet
> (just due to being caught up on other projects such as uGFX).
>
>
> As per one of your follow-up Emails relating to uGFX versus Qt:
>
> Some of the advantages of uGFX versus Qt:
>  - uGFX is designed for small memory footprint systems (ie. embedded
> systems), Qt is not and therefore has a very large footprint.
> - uGFX works equally well on systems without a framebuffer. Qt requires a
> framebuffer (and the related RAM requirements)
> - uGFX is a full multi-threaded GUI, you can draw from any thread regardless
> on which thread the object was created. Qt has only limited support for
> multi-threaded applications.
> - uGFX has support for many LCD controllers and supports custom wiring
> connections to your micro. Qt assumes a full graphics/windows layer is
> already available (usually X).
> - uGFX includes other sub-systems like audio, toggle switch input devices,
> analogue dials, ROM based file system etc. Qt does not.
>
> Some disadvantages of uGFX versus Qt:
> - uGFX has a different API to Qt. More programmers are familiar with Qt.
> - uGFX has only restricted support for overlapping windows (container
> windows are however supported).
>
> uGFX is in short designed for embedded systems while Qt has a desktop based
> design.
Exactly. First time when I meet wit uGFX my thought was this is what I want
to have in eCos - small deeply embedded GUI.

> I would be happy to work with you to create a port of uGFX for ecos.
It will be a honor for me but please look at topic regarding uGFX license:

1) https://sourceware.org/ml/ecos-devel/2014-06/msg00001.html
> > License seems to be compatible and due its nature porting on new platform
>
> I'm afraid it's not compatible with eCos licence. IMO it doesn't even
> comply with Open Source Definition http://opensource.org/definition

2) https://sourceware.org/ml/ecos-devel/2014-06/msg00002.html
> The licence disallows commercial use. Most of eCos use is commercial,
> eCos being a part of products that usually include some intellectual
> property, often other than just software.
>
> You can link uGFX with eCos, but we can't let uGFX in main eCos tree.

To be port to eCos could be accepted by eCos maintainers it have to be
clarified licenses compatibility.
 
Best regards,
jerzy


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerzy Dyrda [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:15 AM
> To: eCos Discussion
> Subject: Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform
>
> Hello all,
>
> During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized that is
> missing some vital components in current version of eCos system (from my
> point of view)  i.e :
[snip]
> 2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side I propose
> uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/ License seems to be compatible and due its nature
> porting on new platform shouldn't be complicated even for me :) I'm also
> planning to add support and again any kind of comments advices or warnings
> are expecting.
[snip]


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RE: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Ilija Kocho [Илија Кочо]
In reply to this post by InMarket
Hi Andrew

We appreciate your interest in eCos and we will welcome uGFX as an added
value to eCos.

However due to uGFX licence terms, that disallow commercial use we can
not allow it into main eCos repository.

This is not an end of story, because eCos offers an elegant way for
users that will want uGFX on eCos, to have it. It is eCos Package
Distribution Ref:
http://ecos.sourceware.org/docs-latest/cdl-guide/package.distrib.html .

uGFX EPK (eCos package) is a simple way for distribution of eCos module
sources. You sumply put uGFX EPK at your download page and users can
import it in their private eCos repositories with few clicks. The
package can also contain the licence that will be presented to the user
for acceptance. Should you put uGFX package somewhere on the net we can
point it by a link eCos site: http://ecos.sourceware.org/contrib.html .

Some technical considerations: eCos has a well defined I/O layer and
Framebuffer is a part of it. Therefore we strongly recommend Framebuffer
support as an option. Of course if you have time and there's technical
merit you can implement both options.

Regards to both Andrew and Jerzy

Ilija Kocho, eCos maintainer


On 16.06.2014 04:08, Andrew Hannam wrote:

> As one of the primary developers of uGFX I have been watching the ecos
> mail-lists for a long time but have never implemented an ecos system yet
> (just due to being caught up on other projects such as uGFX).
>
> I would be happy to work with you to create a port of uGFX for ecos.
>
> As per one of your follow-up Emails relating to uGFX versus Qt:
>
> Some of the advantages of uGFX versus Qt:
>  - uGFX is designed for small memory footprint systems (ie. embedded
> systems), Qt is not and therefore has a very large footprint.
> - uGFX works equally well on systems without a framebuffer. Qt requires a
> framebuffer (and the related RAM requirements)
> - uGFX is a full multi-threaded GUI, you can draw from any thread regardless
> on which thread the object was created. Qt has only limited support for
> multi-threaded applications.
> - uGFX has support for many LCD controllers and supports custom wiring
> connections to your micro. Qt assumes a full graphics/windows layer is
> already available (usually X).
> - uGFX includes other sub-systems like audio, toggle switch input devices,
> analogue dials, ROM based file system etc. Qt does not.
>
> Some disadvantages of uGFX versus Qt:
> - uGFX has a different API to Qt. More programmers are familiar with Qt.
> - uGFX has only restricted support for overlapping windows (container
> windows are however supported).
>
> uGFX is in short designed for embedded systems while Qt has a desktop based
> design.
>
> uGFX aims to provide a cross-platform way of writing embedded GUI
> applications. For example, most of the uGFX demos can be run on any uGFX
> supported operating system without changing a single line of code. This
> means you can prototype and debug your application on Windows or Linux and
> then very simply move it to your embedded board.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew (aka inmarket)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerzy Dyrda [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:15 AM
> To: eCos Discussion
> Subject: Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform
>
> Hello all,
>
> During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized that is
> missing some vital components in current version of eCos system (from my
> point of view)  i.e :
>
> 1) HTTP server - AHTTPD doesn't support lwIP stack what causes that it's
> useless.
> I'm planing to modify it thus any kind of advises are welcome.
>
> 2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side I propose
> uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/ License seems to be compatible and due its nature
> porting on new platform shouldn't be complicated even for me :) I'm also
> planning to add support and again any kind of comments advices or warnings
> are expecting.
>
> 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on some
> board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
>
> Best regards,
> jerzy
>
>


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RE: New features required on Cortex-M platform

InMarket
Thank-you.

I will start looking at the mechanics of making this happen over the next
week or so.

Use of the eCos framebuffer should be easy to add. Displays can then either
be via the eCos framebuffer device or via any of our currently supported LCD
controllers (either framebuffer or non-framebuffer based).

Regards,
Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ilija Kocho [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2014 4:46 AM
To: Andrew Hannam; 'Jerzy Dyrda'; 'eCos Discussion'
Subject: Re: [ECOS] RE: New features required on Cortex-M platform

Hi Andrew

We appreciate your interest in eCos and we will welcome uGFX as an added
value to eCos.

However due to uGFX licence terms, that disallow commercial use we can not
allow it into main eCos repository.

This is not an end of story, because eCos offers an elegant way for users
that will want uGFX on eCos, to have it. It is eCos Package Distribution
Ref:
http://ecos.sourceware.org/docs-latest/cdl-guide/package.distrib.html .

uGFX EPK (eCos package) is a simple way for distribution of eCos module
sources. You sumply put uGFX EPK at your download page and users can import
it in their private eCos repositories with few clicks. The package can also
contain the licence that will be presented to the user for acceptance.
Should you put uGFX package somewhere on the net we can point it by a link
eCos site: http://ecos.sourceware.org/contrib.html .

Some technical considerations: eCos has a well defined I/O layer and
Framebuffer is a part of it. Therefore we strongly recommend Framebuffer
support as an option. Of course if you have time and there's technical merit
you can implement both options.

Regards to both Andrew and Jerzy

Ilija Kocho, eCos maintainer


On 16.06.2014 04:08, Andrew Hannam wrote:

> As one of the primary developers of uGFX I have been watching the ecos
> mail-lists for a long time but have never implemented an ecos system
> yet (just due to being caught up on other projects such as uGFX).
>
> I would be happy to work with you to create a port of uGFX for ecos.
>
> As per one of your follow-up Emails relating to uGFX versus Qt:
>
> Some of the advantages of uGFX versus Qt:
>  - uGFX is designed for small memory footprint systems (ie. embedded
> systems), Qt is not and therefore has a very large footprint.
> - uGFX works equally well on systems without a framebuffer. Qt
> requires a framebuffer (and the related RAM requirements)
> - uGFX is a full multi-threaded GUI, you can draw from any thread
> regardless on which thread the object was created. Qt has only limited
> support for multi-threaded applications.
> - uGFX has support for many LCD controllers and supports custom wiring
> connections to your micro. Qt assumes a full graphics/windows layer is
> already available (usually X).
> - uGFX includes other sub-systems like audio, toggle switch input
> devices, analogue dials, ROM based file system etc. Qt does not.
>
> Some disadvantages of uGFX versus Qt:
> - uGFX has a different API to Qt. More programmers are familiar with Qt.
> - uGFX has only restricted support for overlapping windows (container
> windows are however supported).
>
> uGFX is in short designed for embedded systems while Qt has a desktop
> based design.
>
> uGFX aims to provide a cross-platform way of writing embedded GUI
> applications. For example, most of the uGFX demos can be run on any
> uGFX supported operating system without changing a single line of
> code. This means you can prototype and debug your application on
> Windows or Linux and then very simply move it to your embedded board.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew (aka inmarket)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerzy Dyrda [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:15 AM
> To: eCos Discussion
> Subject: Fwd: New features required on Cortex-M platform
>
> Hello all,
>
> During developing some application on Cortex-M controller I realized
> that is missing some vital components in current version of eCos
> system (from my point of view)  i.e :
>
> 1) HTTP server - AHTTPD doesn't support lwIP stack what causes that
> it's useless.
> I'm planing to modify it thus any kind of advises are welcome.
>
> 2) Small embedded GUI working directly on display. From my side I
> propose uGFX -> http://ugfx.org/ License seems to be compatible and
> due its nature porting on new platform shouldn't be complicated even
> for me :) I'm also planning to add support and again any kind of
> comments advices or warnings are expecting.
>
> 3) SD bus support. I know that I can use SD card in SPI mode but on
> some board like STM32F4DISCOVERY SD card i only available on SD bus.
> It's high time to add this miss part of system.
>
> Best regards,
> jerzy
>
>


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